1 00:00:00,350 --> 00:00:02,150 Are you OK there, sir? 2 00:00:04,165 --> 00:00:06,949 I... I'm just, er... 3 00:00:06,950 --> 00:00:08,469 Getting a feel for the place. 4 00:00:08,970 --> 00:00:11,098 The Nyamoya situation? 5 00:00:11,099 --> 00:00:14,111 Godwin Hall. I'm due in here... 6 00:00:14,112 --> 00:00:16,045 1430 hours, Thursday. 7 00:00:16,046 --> 00:00:17,930 Status conference. 8 00:00:18,683 --> 00:00:20,963 Defence there. 9 00:00:22,743 --> 00:00:24,942 Prosecution here. 10 00:00:24,943 --> 00:00:26,543 Interpreters. 11 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:30,663 Press. 12 00:00:34,903 --> 00:00:37,742 And where you are? 13 00:00:37,743 --> 00:00:39,583 Public gallery. 14 00:00:41,556 --> 00:00:44,076 - Right in here with us? - As they should be. 15 00:00:44,263 --> 00:00:45,782 But the glass is soundproof, 16 00:00:45,783 --> 00:00:48,743 so if the session goes in camera, it just gets switched off. 17 00:00:50,690 --> 00:00:52,223 It's impressive, isn't it? 18 00:00:59,423 --> 00:01:01,782 It depends who wins. 19 00:01:01,783 --> 00:01:05,023 This programme contains some violent scenes and some strong language. 20 00:01:35,143 --> 00:01:37,102 Un, deux, trois, 21 00:01:37,103 --> 00:01:39,262 quatre, cinq, six, 22 00:01:39,263 --> 00:01:41,462 sept, huit, neuf, 23 00:01:41,463 --> 00:01:44,303 dix, onze, douze. 24 00:01:54,330 --> 00:01:55,823 Arrêtez. 25 00:01:57,623 --> 00:01:59,143 On est prêt. 26 00:03:07,433 --> 00:03:11,986 Synced and corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 27 00:03:19,063 --> 00:03:20,743 All rise. 28 00:03:31,023 --> 00:03:34,103 The International Criminal Court is now in session. 29 00:03:34,616 --> 00:03:36,416 Please be seated. 30 00:03:43,169 --> 00:03:44,969 Good afternoon, everyone. 31 00:03:55,983 --> 00:03:57,463 Are you OK there, madam? 32 00:04:01,463 --> 00:04:04,063 It's OK. You come with me. It's OK. 33 00:04:11,303 --> 00:04:13,902 Because of this, I ask the parties that they address the court 34 00:04:13,903 --> 00:04:16,322 in a concise and coherent manner, 35 00:04:16,323 --> 00:04:20,063 and that they refrain from delving into unrelated matters. 36 00:04:41,063 --> 00:04:44,144 And it is in the light of this efficiency that I wish to raise, 37 00:04:44,145 --> 00:04:46,062 at this earliest of opportunities, 38 00:04:46,063 --> 00:04:49,462 our intention to submit evidence of an incident which took place 39 00:04:49,463 --> 00:04:53,382 outside of the timescale permitted by the court's mandate. 40 00:04:53,383 --> 00:04:54,622 Madame President. 41 00:04:54,623 --> 00:04:58,942 Ms Ashby, you are aware that the DRC signature to the Rome Statute 42 00:04:58,943 --> 00:05:03,942 in 2002 invalidates submission of any incidents before this time? 43 00:05:03,943 --> 00:05:08,302 Thank you, Madame President. We are, of course, aware of this limitation 44 00:05:08,303 --> 00:05:11,542 and we do not seek to include the submission within the indictment. 45 00:05:11,543 --> 00:05:15,462 However, we feel it is vitally important for us to establish 46 00:05:15,463 --> 00:05:18,542 a pattern of persistent conduct by the accused 47 00:05:18,543 --> 00:05:21,382 which in and of itself, we believe presents 48 00:05:21,383 --> 00:05:26,062 a significant contribution to the specific articles of the indictment 49 00:05:26,063 --> 00:05:27,943 for which the accused is standing trial. 50 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:32,470 Our intent is to reveal a course of prior conduct 51 00:05:32,471 --> 00:05:37,262 to establish a predisposition of character, Madame President. 52 00:05:37,263 --> 00:05:38,422 Thank you, Ms Ashby. 53 00:05:38,423 --> 00:05:40,925 And thank you for bringing this to my attention so promptly 54 00:05:40,926 --> 00:05:44,245 as it relates to Article 613b of the Rome Statute. 55 00:05:45,339 --> 00:05:48,582 May I be clear the incident to which you wish to refer does not appear 56 00:05:48,583 --> 00:05:51,542 in any documentation presently available to the court? 57 00:05:51,543 --> 00:05:53,462 - That is correct, Madame President. - Sh! 58 00:05:53,463 --> 00:05:56,422 This incident took place outside of the court's mandate 59 00:05:56,423 --> 00:05:59,262 and has therefore not been included in any warrants of arrest. 60 00:05:59,263 --> 00:06:01,982 We're only intent on its inclusion at this time 61 00:06:01,983 --> 00:06:03,983 for the aforementioned reasons. 62 00:06:05,983 --> 00:06:07,463 Mr Zand? 63 00:06:08,690 --> 00:06:10,302 Thank you, Madame President. 64 00:06:10,303 --> 00:06:14,102 I hesitate to strike out of hand any submission which may, in fact, 65 00:06:14,103 --> 00:06:16,143 prove to be of benefit to my client, 66 00:06:16,650 --> 00:06:18,666 therefore, we simply cannot respond 67 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:22,102 until we've been made fully aware of the submission. 68 00:06:22,103 --> 00:06:25,422 Ms Ashby, when may the details of your proposed submission 69 00:06:25,423 --> 00:06:27,222 be made available to the court? 70 00:06:27,223 --> 00:06:29,302 Madame President, we have the submission. 71 00:06:29,303 --> 00:06:32,102 And we're ready to make copies of the recording, 72 00:06:32,103 --> 00:06:33,663 at Your Honour's request. 73 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:35,623 Thank you, Ms Ashby. 74 00:06:35,922 --> 00:06:37,362 One moment, please. 75 00:07:03,823 --> 00:07:07,182 Please make copies of your submissions available to the court. 76 00:07:07,183 --> 00:07:11,863 And I am now closing the hearing for me to consider the matter further. 77 00:07:13,576 --> 00:07:15,016 All rise. 78 00:07:35,783 --> 00:07:37,383 What incident? 79 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:45,765 The one he thought we'd all forget. 80 00:07:56,833 --> 00:07:57,892 _ 81 00:07:57,893 --> 00:07:59,005 _ 82 00:07:59,006 --> 00:08:00,365 _ 83 00:08:00,366 --> 00:08:01,872 _ 84 00:08:01,873 --> 00:08:03,873 _ 85 00:08:04,325 --> 00:08:05,921 _ 86 00:08:05,922 --> 00:08:07,922 _ 87 00:08:52,063 --> 00:08:53,703 It doesn't matter what you say. 88 00:08:54,903 --> 00:08:56,623 They already know. 89 00:08:57,210 --> 00:08:59,582 My daughter doesn't, and she deserves... 90 00:09:02,903 --> 00:09:05,743 Huh! Guard! 91 00:09:09,623 --> 00:09:11,343 No, no, no! 92 00:11:19,543 --> 00:11:20,863 What? 93 00:11:31,023 --> 00:11:32,983 We leave the wedding ring on. 94 00:11:36,776 --> 00:11:38,416 No, she wasn't married. 95 00:11:40,863 --> 00:11:45,663 It was, um... It was like an engagement. 96 00:11:45,969 --> 00:11:47,729 Has he been informed? 97 00:11:50,056 --> 00:11:51,576 He's dead. 98 00:11:54,029 --> 00:11:55,669 A long time ago. 99 00:12:34,143 --> 00:12:35,623 It's foul. 100 00:12:37,343 --> 00:12:43,170 But the shock of it might, you know... help. 101 00:12:54,662 --> 00:12:56,622 We argued. 102 00:13:00,383 --> 00:13:01,783 Before she left. 103 00:13:06,863 --> 00:13:08,703 I left her a message. 104 00:13:13,263 --> 00:13:15,090 She, she didn't... 105 00:13:15,630 --> 00:13:16,910 It doesn't matter. 106 00:13:18,743 --> 00:13:20,503 She already knew. 107 00:13:25,863 --> 00:13:28,142 The presence of the killer's motorcycle 108 00:13:28,143 --> 00:13:29,742 abandoned at this second crime scene 109 00:13:29,743 --> 00:13:33,007 appears to bear all the hallmarks of a classic clean-up job. 110 00:13:33,008 --> 00:13:35,542 Of the three men found shot dead in the vehicle, 111 00:13:35,543 --> 00:13:38,934 two had apparently left the ICC only minutes before. 112 00:13:38,935 --> 00:13:41,182 There is speculation that, for whatever reason, 113 00:13:41,183 --> 00:13:44,582 these men had aborted an initial assassination attempt, 114 00:13:44,583 --> 00:13:47,822 leaving a fourth member of the cell disguised as a highway patrolman 115 00:13:47,823 --> 00:13:50,862 to execute a terrifyingly-successful plan B. 116 00:13:50,863 --> 00:13:54,142 At this time, the identity of these three men and their killer 117 00:13:54,143 --> 00:13:55,742 remains a complete mystery. 118 00:13:55,743 --> 00:13:57,782 Initial suspicions of a revenge attack 119 00:13:57,783 --> 00:13:59,622 carried out against Simon Nyamoya 120 00:13:59,623 --> 00:14:01,182 by Hutu extremist factions, 121 00:14:01,183 --> 00:14:03,702 with whom he had fought a decade-long war 122 00:14:03,703 --> 00:14:07,422 in the Congolese forest have yet to be confirmed or denied. 123 00:14:07,423 --> 00:14:09,553 Back at home, the United States President... 124 00:14:09,578 --> 00:14:12,023 Yes. 125 00:14:12,048 --> 00:14:13,942 I have a General Munezero, Rwandan Government. 126 00:14:13,943 --> 00:14:15,610 Put her through. 127 00:14:16,223 --> 00:14:18,111 - Eunice? - Alice. 128 00:14:18,112 --> 00:14:19,671 Are you going to the funeral? 129 00:14:19,672 --> 00:14:20,982 Yes, I will be. 130 00:14:20,983 --> 00:14:22,622 Then we should meet there. 131 00:14:22,623 --> 00:14:24,503 Yes, we should. 132 00:14:31,263 --> 00:14:32,502 Ah, General Munezero. 133 00:14:32,503 --> 00:14:35,342 I am a civilian now. Member of Parliament. 134 00:14:35,343 --> 00:14:38,542 Of course. My name's Charlie Barratt, I work with the FCO. 135 00:14:38,543 --> 00:14:41,142 - Welcome to the UK. - Thank you. 136 00:14:41,143 --> 00:14:43,182 I'm here to speed you through Immigration. 137 00:14:43,183 --> 00:14:45,022 Will it take long? 138 00:14:45,023 --> 00:14:47,790 Feet won't touch the ground. Please. 139 00:15:05,063 --> 00:15:08,062 What if they switched it all off? 140 00:15:08,063 --> 00:15:09,622 Nothing. 141 00:15:09,623 --> 00:15:11,103 She's breathing for herself. 142 00:15:11,650 --> 00:15:14,490 This is just to monitor. 143 00:15:15,422 --> 00:15:16,983 Oh, Mikey. 144 00:15:17,582 --> 00:15:19,102 It's fine. 145 00:15:19,463 --> 00:15:21,023 It's what it is. 146 00:15:24,782 --> 00:15:26,422 Do you think Eve was targeted? 147 00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:29,502 Why? Who knew? 148 00:15:29,503 --> 00:15:32,222 - She hadn't said anything yet. - She didn't have a chance. 149 00:15:32,223 --> 00:15:35,223 They were aiming for Nyamoya. Had to be. 150 00:15:41,103 --> 00:15:45,502 So... is it all set up? 151 00:15:45,503 --> 00:15:48,782 Yeah. Just got to make a call. 152 00:15:48,783 --> 00:15:51,410 - Good. - Just not sure that I should. 153 00:15:52,663 --> 00:15:54,262 Why? 154 00:15:54,263 --> 00:15:58,903 Well, the way Eve was going to do it, it felt clean. 155 00:15:59,162 --> 00:16:02,962 - This way... - Is the only one we have left. 156 00:16:07,063 --> 00:16:08,943 Are you sure you want to do this? 157 00:16:09,475 --> 00:16:11,755 Put yourself in the crosshairs? 158 00:16:14,343 --> 00:16:15,983 Oh, Mikey. 159 00:16:17,063 --> 00:16:18,863 They are already on me. 160 00:16:25,703 --> 00:16:27,383 Hi, fellas. 161 00:16:28,656 --> 00:16:30,330 Something up? 162 00:16:32,023 --> 00:16:34,982 I'm so sorry. It's because of my job. 163 00:16:34,983 --> 00:16:37,262 Alice is with the Rwandan Government. 164 00:16:37,263 --> 00:16:38,702 She's here for the funeral. 165 00:16:38,703 --> 00:16:41,183 Oh, right. And, er... 166 00:16:42,663 --> 00:16:44,862 We go way back. What is it? 167 00:16:44,863 --> 00:16:49,502 Er... I came here for officer training. When was that? 168 00:16:49,503 --> 00:16:50,943 Must be late '80s. 169 00:16:52,143 --> 00:16:54,354 Over 30 years ago. 170 00:16:54,355 --> 00:16:55,714 Oh, my God, don't. 171 00:16:55,715 --> 00:16:57,582 And I gave you a lecture on...? 172 00:16:57,583 --> 00:16:59,702 Geneva Convention. 173 00:16:59,703 --> 00:17:01,422 You certainly took it to heart. 174 00:17:01,423 --> 00:17:04,137 Single most important rule book in the theatre of war. 175 00:17:04,138 --> 00:17:07,583 If only they could keep it to 90 minutes with a drinks interval. 176 00:17:08,943 --> 00:17:11,582 Her lot brought the Rwandan genocide to an end. 177 00:17:11,583 --> 00:17:13,943 Oh. Well, OK. 178 00:17:14,863 --> 00:17:17,103 I'm a book illustrator. 179 00:17:17,609 --> 00:17:19,769 And Jenny's...? 180 00:17:21,343 --> 00:17:25,223 Well, companion, I guess, is what you'd say at our age. 181 00:17:26,956 --> 00:17:29,116 Companion. 182 00:17:29,793 --> 00:17:33,342 Please, tell her I said hello. 183 00:17:33,343 --> 00:17:35,383 Yeah, sure. 184 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:39,902 I remember her as a very beautiful woman. 185 00:17:39,903 --> 00:17:41,903 Yeah? She still is. 186 00:17:43,223 --> 00:17:45,103 Like her daughter. 187 00:17:47,889 --> 00:17:52,450 So... I will see you at the funeral. 188 00:17:56,303 --> 00:17:58,023 They're both gone now, Mikey. 189 00:17:58,850 --> 00:18:00,143 We carry on. 190 00:18:00,743 --> 00:18:02,183 We must. 191 00:18:03,123 --> 00:18:04,363 For them. 192 00:18:07,702 --> 00:18:09,182 So nice to meet you. 193 00:18:17,503 --> 00:18:19,662 Maybe not say hello from her. 194 00:18:19,663 --> 00:18:21,142 I figured. 195 00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:22,702 Are you still...? 196 00:18:22,703 --> 00:18:25,423 No, no, no, no. Long time ago. 197 00:18:26,903 --> 00:18:29,342 Thanks so much for doing this. 198 00:18:29,343 --> 00:18:32,023 Oh, it's just until Jenny can do it for herself. 199 00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:33,982 Wasn't her fault. 200 00:18:33,983 --> 00:18:37,062 It's always a mother's fault, Michael. 201 00:18:37,063 --> 00:18:38,503 Always. 202 00:18:49,723 --> 00:18:52,890 Eve always insisted she was my mother. 203 00:18:54,169 --> 00:18:55,569 But she wasn't. 204 00:18:56,850 --> 00:18:59,623 She was the woman who rescued me. 205 00:19:00,010 --> 00:19:02,462 And actually, she didn't do that bit either. 206 00:19:02,463 --> 00:19:03,742 Not the actual rescuing. 207 00:19:03,743 --> 00:19:06,623 That was done by a man named Ed Holt. 208 00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:09,143 Some of you here will remember him. 209 00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:10,862 I don't. 210 00:19:10,863 --> 00:19:13,663 I don't remember any of it. Just what I'm told. 211 00:19:14,743 --> 00:19:17,703 But that's OK because Eve told me everything. 212 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:21,302 Ed was her partner, fiance, 213 00:19:21,303 --> 00:19:24,342 and they were both working in Rwanda 214 00:19:24,343 --> 00:19:26,263 just after the genocide. 215 00:19:26,690 --> 00:19:28,942 She was doing groundwork for the tribunals 216 00:19:28,943 --> 00:19:31,503 and he was on an aid assessment. 217 00:19:32,629 --> 00:19:35,149 And one day, he found me. 218 00:19:36,416 --> 00:19:37,896 In an orphanage. 219 00:19:38,703 --> 00:19:40,862 Wounds that were killing me. 220 00:19:40,863 --> 00:19:44,930 I don't know why he chose me... 221 00:19:46,309 --> 00:19:47,909 ...just that he did. 222 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:51,983 And a week later, he was dead. 223 00:19:53,322 --> 00:19:56,082 Killed in a plane crash delivering aid to the DRC. 224 00:19:59,263 --> 00:20:02,582 Eve always said that I was the last thing he gave her. 225 00:20:02,583 --> 00:20:05,866 And that's why she treasured me ever since. 226 00:20:05,867 --> 00:20:10,023 Which can't have been easy because I was completely bust. 227 00:20:11,663 --> 00:20:13,606 Not just here, but here, 228 00:20:13,607 --> 00:20:17,223 and I was... I was never going to get fixed. 229 00:20:18,609 --> 00:20:20,009 But... 230 00:20:21,956 --> 00:20:23,996 ...that I'm standing here today... 231 00:20:25,523 --> 00:20:29,403 ...looking anything like a human, it's because of her. 232 00:20:32,749 --> 00:20:34,509 Eve Ashby. 233 00:20:35,843 --> 00:20:38,530 And she wasn't my mother. 234 00:20:46,049 --> 00:20:48,689 I'm not even sure what that means, or why I've said it. 235 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:05,275 Is she reliable? 236 00:21:05,276 --> 00:21:07,743 - Hm? - That speech. 237 00:21:08,170 --> 00:21:09,903 It's a bit weird. 238 00:21:10,290 --> 00:21:12,503 For being honest? 239 00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:14,142 Inappropriate. 240 00:21:14,143 --> 00:21:16,183 She will be with Michael. 241 00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:18,242 What about him? 242 00:21:20,143 --> 00:21:21,463 When it gets messy? 243 00:21:22,450 --> 00:21:24,343 It will not. 244 00:21:24,622 --> 00:21:26,102 It already has. 245 00:21:27,103 --> 00:21:30,622 For all that easy charm, he wears his principles like a Kevlar vest. 246 00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:32,783 He knows what has to be done. 247 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:36,503 Going to have his conscience shot to shit, if not. 248 00:21:38,423 --> 00:21:40,345 We are doing the right thing. 249 00:21:40,346 --> 00:21:42,903 May come a time when that gets forgotten. 250 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:46,903 - We must make sure to remind him. - So? 251 00:21:49,090 --> 00:21:52,862 We don't know, and we're not going to. At least not yet. 252 00:21:52,863 --> 00:21:54,582 They've got nothing on the killer 253 00:21:54,583 --> 00:21:57,742 and the best they've got on the other three is hair-strand DNA 254 00:21:57,743 --> 00:21:59,623 suggesting a sub-Saharan diet. 255 00:21:59,930 --> 00:22:04,463 Down there, Nyamoya has more enemies than I have uterine fibroids. 256 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:09,742 Just had an ultrasound, I'm kind of obsessing about it. 257 00:22:09,743 --> 00:22:12,862 But we will find out, eventually. 258 00:22:12,863 --> 00:22:14,702 Just not the way we expect. 259 00:22:14,703 --> 00:22:17,462 It's Africa, is what it is, Mikey, but then we all knew that 260 00:22:17,463 --> 00:22:20,862 - That is why we have to do this. - She's right. 261 00:22:20,863 --> 00:22:23,902 The only chance we've got now of completing what Eve started... 262 00:22:23,903 --> 00:22:26,342 Is for you to make the call. 263 00:22:26,343 --> 00:22:28,503 - Do it for her. - For Eve. 264 00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:31,023 And we might even find out who did this. 265 00:22:32,650 --> 00:22:34,063 OK. 266 00:22:40,703 --> 00:22:41,863 Here. 267 00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:48,303 Long time since I've seen this. 268 00:22:54,423 --> 00:22:56,142 She'd just changed the batteries. 269 00:22:56,143 --> 00:22:57,662 She intended to play it in court. 270 00:22:57,663 --> 00:22:59,543 She make copies? 271 00:23:00,756 --> 00:23:02,490 She didn't get that far. 272 00:23:03,743 --> 00:23:05,023 I've got one on my hard drive. 273 00:23:05,370 --> 00:23:06,782 That's very modern of you. 274 00:23:06,783 --> 00:23:09,263 Huh! Don't ask me to open it. 275 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:12,703 Whole story's in your hands. 276 00:23:15,863 --> 00:23:18,502 Hell, I forgot. I've got to give her something. 277 00:23:18,503 --> 00:23:21,290 So, when will it happen? 278 00:23:22,703 --> 00:23:24,983 But it will. Just carry on as normal. 279 00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:27,183 Look after me, Mikey. 280 00:23:27,903 --> 00:23:29,236 You'll be fine. 281 00:23:35,743 --> 00:23:37,902 - Oh! - What? 282 00:23:37,903 --> 00:23:39,290 That's what I told Eve. 283 00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,262 Serve it. 284 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:53,582 I'm going the wrong way. 285 00:23:53,583 --> 00:23:55,623 Excuse me, I have to catch a plane. 286 00:23:58,050 --> 00:24:00,423 I have something for you. 287 00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:08,258 This, it is of your mother. Er... I mean Eve. 288 00:24:08,287 --> 00:24:10,622 No, she was my mother. 289 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,370 What I meant to say was, 290 00:24:12,943 --> 00:24:16,610 in a way she was... she was more. 291 00:24:17,463 --> 00:24:19,183 Oh, I don't know what I meant to say. 292 00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:23,383 Look at it. 293 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:29,982 Actually, there is also me and Michael. 294 00:24:29,983 --> 00:24:34,022 And that there, that is Ed. 295 00:24:34,023 --> 00:24:35,303 See? 296 00:24:38,969 --> 00:24:40,729 When was it taken? 297 00:24:41,756 --> 00:24:43,956 Just before he died. 298 00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:49,559 And where was it taken? 299 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,023 Kigali. 300 00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:55,742 That's wonderful. 301 00:24:55,743 --> 00:24:59,662 No, no, keep it. I brought it for you. 302 00:24:59,663 --> 00:25:01,982 And there is something else. 303 00:25:01,983 --> 00:25:04,943 - Oh? - But that is for another day. 304 00:25:07,235 --> 00:25:09,635 Whatever happens now... 305 00:25:12,203 --> 00:25:14,090 ...remember that. 306 00:25:16,383 --> 00:25:18,463 Why? What's going to happen? 307 00:25:21,063 --> 00:25:22,863 And stay close to Michael. 308 00:25:23,436 --> 00:25:25,236 What's going to happen? 309 00:26:12,703 --> 00:26:14,143 Alice Munezero? 310 00:26:16,183 --> 00:26:17,743 - Yes. - You're under arrest. 311 00:26:19,570 --> 00:26:20,902 For what? 312 00:26:20,903 --> 00:26:23,222 Suspicion of war crimes against civilians 313 00:26:23,223 --> 00:26:25,145 committed by you in the Ngoma region of... 314 00:26:25,146 --> 00:26:30,152 Of Eastern Rwanda on or around 11th June, 1994. 315 00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:34,182 I know. It was issued by a French court in 2009. 316 00:26:34,183 --> 00:26:37,902 And I assume that is an European Arrest Warrant. 317 00:26:37,903 --> 00:26:40,983 - For your extradition to France, yes. - Yes. 318 00:26:43,223 --> 00:26:45,262 Now you should read me my rights. 319 00:26:45,263 --> 00:26:48,023 Sounds like you've been expecting us. 320 00:26:48,509 --> 00:26:50,429 For a long time. 321 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:27,262 This you? 322 00:29:27,263 --> 00:29:29,143 Hm. My mother's. 323 00:29:29,695 --> 00:29:31,335 That's yours. 324 00:29:51,943 --> 00:29:53,650 A Promethium rock. 325 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:57,062 Hope no-one tries to peck out your liver. 326 00:29:57,063 --> 00:29:59,422 I've got drugs doing that already. 327 00:29:59,423 --> 00:30:00,942 You got that under control? 328 00:30:00,943 --> 00:30:03,822 Clockwork. First one with Good Morning Britain, 329 00:30:03,823 --> 00:30:05,262 second with Cash in the Attic. 330 00:30:05,263 --> 00:30:08,130 - Busy day. - Only if I pick up a can opener. 331 00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:10,903 Still think she was wrong? 332 00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:13,850 - Hm? - Your argument. 333 00:30:14,343 --> 00:30:18,807 Hm. Well, I guess we will never know now, will we? 334 00:30:19,176 --> 00:30:21,010 Want to find out? 335 00:30:23,383 --> 00:30:24,662 Why? 336 00:30:24,663 --> 00:30:26,561 Voyager 337 00:30:26,562 --> 00:30:28,743 is fulfilling all of your emotional needs. 338 00:30:33,896 --> 00:30:37,016 That's about to start, actually. 339 00:30:44,703 --> 00:30:45,892 How? 340 00:30:45,917 --> 00:30:48,062 So, you think Nyamoya was a national hero? 341 00:30:48,063 --> 00:30:50,022 It's not so simple. 342 00:30:50,023 --> 00:30:52,423 But you didn't want your mother to prosecute him. 343 00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:55,382 Thing is, it's not always easy 344 00:30:55,383 --> 00:30:57,205 just to come out with the truth. 345 00:30:57,206 --> 00:30:59,502 It is to me. You just say it. 346 00:30:59,503 --> 00:31:04,383 But where you were born, you have to pick your moment and your place. 347 00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:05,983 So? 348 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:09,022 What if your mother 349 00:31:09,023 --> 00:31:12,340 didn't see Nyamoya as a destination, 350 00:31:13,127 --> 00:31:14,422 more a bridge? 351 00:31:14,423 --> 00:31:17,063 - To what? - I don't know for sure. 352 00:31:18,623 --> 00:31:20,823 But this may be the way to find out. 353 00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:24,775 How? 354 00:31:24,776 --> 00:31:27,663 Alice Munezero's been arrested. 355 00:31:32,343 --> 00:31:34,789 The French think she killed one of their priests in Rwanda 356 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:36,863 - during the genocide. - Why? 357 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:39,382 They allege she found the guy in his church 358 00:31:39,383 --> 00:31:41,663 with a couple of hundred dead Tutsis. 359 00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:45,463 Before asking any questions, she shot him. 360 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:47,222 And that's it? 361 00:31:47,223 --> 00:31:48,970 Certainly was for the priest. 362 00:32:00,223 --> 00:32:01,463 I drink. 363 00:32:02,081 --> 00:32:03,086 Yeah? 364 00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:05,254 At night, all alone. 365 00:32:05,634 --> 00:32:07,243 Sometimes quite a bit. 366 00:32:09,389 --> 00:32:11,290 - Alone? - That's why I have him. 367 00:32:12,476 --> 00:32:14,796 Wouldn't look good, me on a DUI. 368 00:32:15,312 --> 00:32:16,504 No. 369 00:32:16,505 --> 00:32:18,662 Wouldn't want you to think I was a snob, though. 370 00:32:18,663 --> 00:32:21,182 Just a lonely alcoholic. 371 00:32:21,183 --> 00:32:23,023 Quite a pair. 372 00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:26,822 You shouldn't trust me, you know. 373 00:32:26,823 --> 00:32:28,210 Why? 374 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:30,810 My mind, it's... 375 00:32:32,615 --> 00:32:34,455 Normal, to feel like that. 376 00:32:35,989 --> 00:32:38,069 Nothing about me is normal. 377 00:32:38,743 --> 00:32:41,022 I pull back from everything. Everything. 378 00:32:41,023 --> 00:32:43,662 Even Eve. Particularly her. 379 00:32:43,663 --> 00:32:46,770 There's another way to look at that. She was your centre. 380 00:32:47,054 --> 00:32:49,623 Well, now I'm cut loose. 381 00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:53,183 Let me take her place. 382 00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:56,262 You... You want to be my mother?! 383 00:32:56,263 --> 00:32:59,382 I want you to feel like there's somebody at the centre of your life, 384 00:32:59,383 --> 00:33:01,303 for as long as you need it. 385 00:33:02,215 --> 00:33:03,255 What do you get? 386 00:33:04,903 --> 00:33:06,263 Oh, yes. 387 00:33:06,890 --> 00:33:08,490 A replacement daughter. 388 00:33:11,743 --> 00:33:13,662 That's why I like you, Kate. 389 00:33:13,663 --> 00:33:16,182 You say the things other people wouldn't dare. 390 00:33:16,183 --> 00:33:18,850 There you go, see? I'm doing it already. 391 00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:22,102 You go ahead. 392 00:33:22,103 --> 00:33:24,543 Maybe you're right. Maybe it's what we both need. 393 00:33:26,776 --> 00:33:28,690 I know it's what Eve would want. 394 00:33:29,441 --> 00:33:31,081 And so would she. 395 00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:42,690 - Did you do it? - No. 396 00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:48,183 And Michael's agreed to be your lead counsel. 397 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:52,208 With you investigating. 398 00:33:52,209 --> 00:33:53,690 He says you're the best. 399 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:55,871 Well, if you're looking to employ 400 00:33:55,872 --> 00:33:57,768 a grief-stricken junkie on suicide watch, 401 00:33:57,769 --> 00:34:00,663 you certainly are in need of legal representation. 402 00:34:01,235 --> 00:34:02,395 And here you are. 403 00:34:03,562 --> 00:34:05,122 But not for long. 404 00:34:05,863 --> 00:34:08,502 There is no way this charge could stick under UK law, 405 00:34:08,503 --> 00:34:10,423 and, anyway, you're not a UK citizen. 406 00:34:10,926 --> 00:34:13,281 All you have to do now is object to the extradition 407 00:34:13,282 --> 00:34:15,743 and you'll be home within a week. Simple as that. 408 00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:19,810 Only thing that puzzles me is why he hasn't told you that already. 409 00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:24,050 See? Just like her mother. 410 00:34:28,516 --> 00:34:31,782 Alice Munezero, I'm obliged in this place 411 00:34:31,783 --> 00:34:33,542 to make you aware formally 412 00:34:33,543 --> 00:34:35,663 of the contents of the Part 1 warrant. 413 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:39,741 These are, that under Articles 132 and 143 414 00:34:39,742 --> 00:34:41,646 Code of Criminal Procedure, 415 00:34:41,647 --> 00:34:45,286 you are accused that on 11th June, 1994, 416 00:34:45,287 --> 00:34:49,876 as the commanding officer of a unit within the Rwandan Patriotic Front, 417 00:34:49,877 --> 00:34:53,943 you advanced into Ngoma district, Eastern Rwanda, 418 00:34:53,944 --> 00:34:56,782 where you did unlawfully kill a French citizen 419 00:34:56,783 --> 00:34:58,942 by the name of Pascal Patenaude, 420 00:34:58,943 --> 00:35:01,102 a father in the Order of the Grey Fathers, 421 00:35:01,103 --> 00:35:04,863 outside their church in the diocese of Kibungo. 422 00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:07,102 And that this action took place 423 00:35:07,103 --> 00:35:10,782 under the category of War Crimes against Civilians. 424 00:35:10,783 --> 00:35:13,063 Are you now aware of these contents? 425 00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:15,103 I am. 426 00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:17,423 And in the presence of your counsel, 427 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:20,262 would you now indicate whether or not 428 00:35:20,263 --> 00:35:24,130 you are willing to consent to the extradition proceedings? 429 00:35:27,903 --> 00:35:33,571 Madam, I wish to consent to the extradition order. 430 00:35:33,572 --> 00:35:35,370 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 431 00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:39,623 Did your client understand the question, Mr Ennis? 432 00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:41,423 She did, ma'am. 433 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:43,942 She wishes to consent to the order? 434 00:35:43,943 --> 00:35:45,490 She does, ma'am. 435 00:35:46,503 --> 00:35:48,063 Very well. 436 00:35:57,343 --> 00:35:59,142 What have you done?! 437 00:35:59,143 --> 00:36:00,850 Taken her case to France. 438 00:36:02,050 --> 00:36:03,743 You knew this was going to happen. 439 00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:07,502 So did she. She said as much at Mumma's funeral. 440 00:36:07,503 --> 00:36:10,543 I tipped off the NCA to serve the warrant, yes. 441 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:12,263 Why? 442 00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:14,582 Because it's been knocking around for years. 443 00:36:14,583 --> 00:36:17,023 Every time she travels, she's at risk of arrest. 444 00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:20,062 So finally, she's decided just to flush it all out. 445 00:36:20,063 --> 00:36:22,302 By getting herself thrown in a French jail?! 446 00:36:22,303 --> 00:36:23,496 How fucking stupid is that?! 447 00:36:23,497 --> 00:36:25,702 - You think? - Yes, I... I know. 448 00:36:25,703 --> 00:36:28,502 Good. So now we're going to get her out. 449 00:36:28,503 --> 00:36:32,182 She shouldn't... she shouldn't be there in the first place! 450 00:36:32,183 --> 00:36:34,382 And now we have a chance to prove that. 451 00:36:34,383 --> 00:36:35,622 God, this is so fucked up! 452 00:36:35,623 --> 00:36:38,462 Innocence is assumed, Michael. You don't have to prove it! 453 00:36:38,463 --> 00:36:41,103 This isn't the destination, Kate. 454 00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:43,062 OK. Then what is? 455 00:36:43,063 --> 00:36:46,583 Well, that's what we're looking to find out. 456 00:36:56,888 --> 00:36:59,250 _ 457 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:27,703 I am innocent. 458 00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:31,863 But you were leading an advance infantry unit 459 00:37:31,864 --> 00:37:34,902 - through that region at that time? - Yes. 460 00:37:34,903 --> 00:37:38,223 But you or any representative of yours 461 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:42,343 made absolutely no contact with Father Patenaude? 462 00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:46,302 I did not, nor did anyone under my command, or in my knowledge. 463 00:37:46,303 --> 00:37:49,944 Um... except there are two, 464 00:37:49,945 --> 00:37:54,102 two eyewitnesses who have sworn that you did. 465 00:37:54,103 --> 00:37:59,103 That you in fact, er... murdered Father Patenaude. 466 00:37:59,450 --> 00:38:01,383 They are lying. 467 00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:03,142 Because? 468 00:38:03,143 --> 00:38:05,142 If I may, one moment. 469 00:38:05,143 --> 00:38:07,102 One of the alleged witnesses, 470 00:38:07,103 --> 00:38:09,622 an occupant of the village, a Hutu... 471 00:38:09,623 --> 00:38:11,469 And a doctor, monsieur. 472 00:38:11,470 --> 00:38:15,239 Nonetheless, his family was subsequently tried 473 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,303 and found guilty of mass killings. 474 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:21,263 He is now living in France as an ex-patriot. 475 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:26,462 The conduct of one's family is no cause for self-incrimination. 476 00:38:26,463 --> 00:38:29,142 I'll submit a pattern of influence. 477 00:38:29,143 --> 00:38:33,502 Hm. And, er... on the other witness, monsieur? 478 00:38:33,503 --> 00:38:36,182 Also living in France. 479 00:38:36,183 --> 00:38:37,542 Who is a Tutsi 480 00:38:37,543 --> 00:38:42,022 and served as a lieutenant in Mrs Munezero's own infantry unit. 481 00:38:42,023 --> 00:38:45,742 What pattern of influence might you submit on him? 482 00:38:45,743 --> 00:38:47,063 He was a spy. 483 00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:49,863 For who? 484 00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:52,823 The French. 485 00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:57,463 Why? 486 00:39:00,330 --> 00:39:05,062 Because, sir, for many years, 487 00:39:05,063 --> 00:39:09,130 your country was on the side of the genocide planners. 488 00:39:11,303 --> 00:39:15,610 And when the genocide happened and my army brought it to an end, 489 00:39:17,330 --> 00:39:20,542 your country was too ashamed to admit their guilt. 490 00:39:20,543 --> 00:39:23,863 And have instead tried to tarnish my innocence. 491 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:26,970 The one to try and cancel the other. 492 00:39:28,682 --> 00:39:30,402 And that cannot be. 493 00:39:34,276 --> 00:39:35,676 OK. 494 00:39:37,023 --> 00:39:40,302 Um... this investigation was not launched by me. 495 00:39:40,303 --> 00:39:44,622 It was launched by a colleague ten years ago who has since retired. 496 00:39:44,623 --> 00:39:48,902 A timescale of this length reflects poorly on us 497 00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:52,463 whilst maintaining a question mark upon you. 498 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:56,062 So it is in the interest of all parties 499 00:39:56,063 --> 00:39:58,702 to bring this matter to a swift conclusion. 500 00:39:58,703 --> 00:40:03,583 Either... I recommend this dossier for trial, 501 00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:05,503 or I dismiss it. 502 00:40:06,663 --> 00:40:11,622 And for me to do that, you must show me at least one of two things. 503 00:40:11,623 --> 00:40:13,662 Proof of your innocence 504 00:40:13,663 --> 00:40:15,703 or the guilt of your accusers. 505 00:40:24,703 --> 00:40:26,183 Thank you. 506 00:40:29,583 --> 00:40:31,482 When did his predecessor die? 507 00:40:31,483 --> 00:40:33,582 Um... about 18 months ago. 508 00:40:33,583 --> 00:40:35,823 A few months after he retired. 509 00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:37,423 Did he do that by choice? 510 00:40:37,770 --> 00:40:39,702 - Die? - Retire. 511 00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:43,462 There was some talk of him running for public office a few months back. 512 00:40:43,463 --> 00:40:45,903 His heart just couldn't keep up. Worry you? 513 00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:49,063 Just wasn't expecting the new guy to be so helpful. 514 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:51,903 Well, don't go complaining, he's just given her bail. 515 00:40:52,903 --> 00:40:56,542 Yeah. No. Yeah! It's good. 516 00:40:56,543 --> 00:40:58,022 C'est bon! 517 00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:08,902 So... Florence Patenaude. 518 00:41:08,903 --> 00:41:12,374 Yep. Er... Father Patenaude's mother. 519 00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:15,062 Made the initial complaint which launched the investigation. 520 00:41:15,063 --> 00:41:16,822 - Is she still alive? - Yeah. 521 00:41:16,823 --> 00:41:19,063 - Thank fuck for that! - Yeah. 522 00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:22,823 She made a formal complaint in 1998. 523 00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:25,742 Four years after the alleged incident. 524 00:41:25,743 --> 00:41:27,823 Mm-hm. 525 00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:30,182 Why the delay? 526 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:33,750 _ 527 00:41:33,764 --> 00:41:35,010 _ 528 00:41:41,743 --> 00:41:44,263 No. No, sorry, I didn't get that. 529 00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:47,142 Her son had joined the Grey Fathers, 530 00:41:47,143 --> 00:41:49,155 so he was lost to her long before his death. 531 00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:50,155 Hm. 532 00:41:50,156 --> 00:41:52,530 - The Grey Fathers is a holy order. - I know. 533 00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:54,943 What made you change your mind? 534 00:41:57,744 --> 00:41:59,103 Monsieur Barre. 535 00:41:59,449 --> 00:42:00,410 Who? 536 00:42:00,903 --> 00:42:02,283 _ 537 00:42:03,584 --> 00:42:05,063 Her sponsor. 538 00:43:20,095 --> 00:43:23,130 Mademoiselle, you've strayed. 539 00:43:24,543 --> 00:43:27,490 - No, I-I was just... - Looking at the past. 540 00:43:33,903 --> 00:43:35,463 Thank you. 541 00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:46,502 My lawyer will be sitting in with us. You understand. 542 00:43:46,503 --> 00:43:47,770 Of course. 543 00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:53,582 All this... from rubber. 544 00:43:53,583 --> 00:43:55,423 Hm! Three generations now. 545 00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:57,462 Hm. 546 00:43:57,463 --> 00:44:00,223 But I understand my inheritance. 547 00:44:00,610 --> 00:44:02,982 The benefits are obvious... 548 00:44:02,983 --> 00:44:05,182 the burdens, less so. 549 00:44:05,183 --> 00:44:07,863 Unless you were Congolese in the 1900s. 550 00:44:08,797 --> 00:44:10,009 Are you Congolese? 551 00:44:10,049 --> 00:44:11,409 English. 552 00:44:12,143 --> 00:44:13,822 But where are you from originally? 553 00:44:13,823 --> 00:44:16,183 Originally? Er... from loving parents. 554 00:44:19,903 --> 00:44:22,463 Why did you approach Florence Patenaude? 555 00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:26,942 Because I wanted, um... I want to see justice done, 556 00:44:26,943 --> 00:44:30,062 and I didn't think she knew she could have it for her son. 557 00:44:30,063 --> 00:44:32,854 Hm. And why, particularly, 558 00:44:32,855 --> 00:44:34,783 did you want her to have it? 559 00:44:36,052 --> 00:44:39,862 The Tutsi genocide is a taboo subject, Mademoiselle, 560 00:44:39,863 --> 00:44:41,423 but its undeniable horror 561 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:46,143 disguises a more complex truth. 562 00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,223 Which is...? 563 00:44:49,850 --> 00:44:51,582 What do you know about Rwanda? 564 00:44:51,583 --> 00:44:54,182 Oh. Er... what... What do you? 565 00:44:54,183 --> 00:44:56,252 Huh! A lot. 566 00:44:56,253 --> 00:45:00,183 I was advisor to the Elysee Palace from 1987-'94. 567 00:45:00,610 --> 00:45:02,063 The lead-up to the genocide. 568 00:45:04,210 --> 00:45:07,103 And what did you advise your president to do? 569 00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:11,023 Everything in his power to avoid it. 570 00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:13,423 Which was...? 571 00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:18,103 For him to support the democratically-elected majority. 572 00:45:18,490 --> 00:45:19,543 The Hutus. 573 00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:22,023 Who were the majority. 574 00:45:22,410 --> 00:45:23,822 You have to remember, Mademoiselle, 575 00:45:23,823 --> 00:45:26,662 the Tutsis were always a minority in Rwanda. 576 00:45:26,663 --> 00:45:29,022 14%, no more. 577 00:45:29,023 --> 00:45:31,222 Their monarchy ruled for hundreds of years, 578 00:45:31,223 --> 00:45:32,662 and during the colonial era, 579 00:45:32,663 --> 00:45:35,542 the Belgians maintained them as proxy rulers. 580 00:45:35,543 --> 00:45:39,406 But in '62, after the independence and the elections, 581 00:45:39,407 --> 00:45:41,223 it was the Hutus who won the power. 582 00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:42,942 And so they should. 583 00:45:42,943 --> 00:45:45,783 85% of the population, plain and simple. 584 00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:48,702 The only reason why so many Tutsis left the country 585 00:45:48,703 --> 00:45:50,543 is because they lost the power. 586 00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:54,459 Well, they were also being threatened with mass extermination. 587 00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:57,982 Only because they wanted to take back what was not rightfully theirs. 588 00:45:57,983 --> 00:46:02,463 When I became advisor, the real danger was civil war. 589 00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:08,342 So, between '87 and '94, 590 00:46:08,343 --> 00:46:12,342 you advised your president to support the Hutu government? 591 00:46:12,343 --> 00:46:15,142 The democratically-elected majority, as I've said. 592 00:46:15,143 --> 00:46:18,302 - And the president took your advice? - Yes. 593 00:46:18,303 --> 00:46:20,462 But it wasn't as if the Catholic Church 594 00:46:20,463 --> 00:46:22,982 hadn't been saying the same thing for years. 595 00:46:22,983 --> 00:46:25,590 We, all of us, were simply assisting... 596 00:46:25,591 --> 00:46:29,462 Assisting a government that turned into a genocidal regime. 597 00:46:29,463 --> 00:46:32,462 Only because the Tutsis massed an army on the borders 598 00:46:32,463 --> 00:46:35,062 before launching an occupation of the country! 599 00:46:35,063 --> 00:46:39,023 They created the fear, the fear created the genocide! 600 00:46:39,610 --> 00:46:44,143 Once these Banyarwandas did indeed invade, it was too late! 601 00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:48,823 I'm a Tutsi. 602 00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:52,823 And my family were all killed. 603 00:46:54,970 --> 00:46:56,463 Then I'm very sorry. 604 00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:58,610 But you must remember, 605 00:46:59,410 --> 00:47:01,742 the blame for their death lies as much with 606 00:47:01,743 --> 00:47:03,862 the Tutsi who invaded the country 607 00:47:03,863 --> 00:47:06,770 as with the Hutu who held the machete. 608 00:47:18,623 --> 00:47:21,303 Do you realise how offensive that remark is? 609 00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:25,502 I realise the truth is far more complex 610 00:47:25,503 --> 00:47:27,650 than you may wish to hear. 611 00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:34,302 It was all I could do not to hit him myself. 612 00:47:34,303 --> 00:47:36,062 It's ugly, but he believes it. 613 00:47:36,063 --> 00:47:40,102 And prosecuting Alice, the representative of the Tutsi army, 614 00:47:40,103 --> 00:47:41,662 for the murder of a French priest, 615 00:47:41,663 --> 00:47:43,783 a representative of his government, 616 00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:46,343 that's his way of proving it. 617 00:47:50,343 --> 00:47:52,583 - Do you want me to come back? - No, no, no. 618 00:47:53,176 --> 00:47:54,656 Stay here. 619 00:48:09,823 --> 00:48:13,622 So... His two witnesses 620 00:48:13,623 --> 00:48:16,370 have failed to respond to our request for an interview. 621 00:48:16,371 --> 00:48:18,022 No surprise. 622 00:48:18,023 --> 00:48:21,235 And, like here, under French law, 623 00:48:21,236 --> 00:48:22,982 there's no compulsion for them to do so. 624 00:48:22,983 --> 00:48:27,342 So I want you to go over and have a chat with them, off book. 625 00:48:27,343 --> 00:48:28,502 OK. 626 00:48:28,503 --> 00:48:30,702 And remember, the limits of harassment 627 00:48:30,703 --> 00:48:32,982 are the same as here, so stay within them. 628 00:48:32,983 --> 00:48:37,050 Ooh. Not sure subtlety's my strongest suit. 629 00:48:39,343 --> 00:48:40,862 And yet you managed to hide 630 00:48:40,863 --> 00:48:43,583 your affair with Godwin from almost everyone. 631 00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:56,143 Did Eve know? 632 00:48:58,823 --> 00:49:00,370 Just you. 633 00:49:01,696 --> 00:49:03,536 Guessing the wife did, too, 634 00:49:03,561 --> 00:49:06,370 or is there another reason you didn't attend the funeral? 635 00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:15,663 Did you love him? 636 00:49:18,962 --> 00:49:20,322 He'd, er... 637 00:49:21,103 --> 00:49:23,530 He'd just blown me out, so... 638 00:49:24,383 --> 00:49:26,703 Ah, Kate. 639 00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:28,782 Are you feeling sorry for me? 640 00:49:28,783 --> 00:49:33,622 No. Just the... the weight of it. 641 00:49:33,623 --> 00:49:36,062 Hm. I'm used to that, 642 00:49:36,063 --> 00:49:38,903 losing things I love. Been doing it all my life. 643 00:49:40,343 --> 00:49:46,663 So, er... don't expect me to behave the way others do. 644 00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:49,023 I don't. 645 00:49:51,096 --> 00:49:52,416 Good. 646 00:49:54,949 --> 00:49:57,309 Someone is not telling us the truth. 647 00:49:58,970 --> 00:50:00,823 I'll speak to the witnesses. 648 00:50:33,869 --> 00:50:35,469 Dr Musoni. 649 00:50:36,103 --> 00:50:37,863 Avez-vous vos papiers? 650 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:39,823 Excuse me? 651 00:50:40,090 --> 00:50:41,343 Where are you from? 652 00:50:41,890 --> 00:50:44,770 Oh. I am not a refugee. 653 00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:46,902 At least, not yet. 654 00:50:46,903 --> 00:50:49,210 I'm from Alice Munezero's legal team. 655 00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:52,422 - Oh. - Yeah. 656 00:50:52,423 --> 00:50:54,527 And you're a key witness for the prosecution, 657 00:50:54,528 --> 00:50:58,422 but you haven't yet responded to our request for an interview. 658 00:50:58,423 --> 00:50:59,703 I don't have to. 659 00:51:00,050 --> 00:51:01,662 No. No, you don't, 660 00:51:01,663 --> 00:51:04,022 but if you are found to have given false testimony, 661 00:51:04,023 --> 00:51:06,266 well, it's called perjury. 662 00:51:06,267 --> 00:51:09,743 I'm sure you've heard of it, and you'll be deported back to Rwanda. 663 00:51:10,096 --> 00:51:11,656 That won't happen. 664 00:51:13,050 --> 00:51:15,663 - Why? - Because I'm telling the truth. 665 00:51:15,688 --> 00:51:18,076 Oh. Yes, fine, fine. 666 00:51:18,077 --> 00:51:21,182 But the legality of truth, how it's defined, 667 00:51:21,183 --> 00:51:24,503 well, if I were you, I'd check on that. 668 00:51:25,721 --> 00:51:29,262 It's very good, what you're doing here. 669 00:51:29,263 --> 00:51:32,982 - I have been one of them. - Hm. 670 00:51:32,983 --> 00:51:37,423 Although I did stop by at your home before coming here. 671 00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:40,063 It's a pretty impressive place. 672 00:51:41,469 --> 00:51:43,789 You've really made a life for yourself here. 673 00:51:43,943 --> 00:51:46,383 Hm. Careful not to lose it. 674 00:52:13,943 --> 00:52:15,663 I'm so sorry. 675 00:52:16,857 --> 00:52:19,222 This is embarrassing. 676 00:52:19,223 --> 00:52:22,582 Um... my car, it won't start. 677 00:52:22,583 --> 00:52:24,782 And I need to call my office. 678 00:52:24,783 --> 00:52:26,583 I don't have a phone. 679 00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:29,782 - Not very professional, hm? - I know. 680 00:52:29,783 --> 00:52:32,143 I'm... I'm new. 681 00:52:33,303 --> 00:52:34,582 Could I borrow yours? 682 00:52:34,583 --> 00:52:36,702 - What?! - I know we're on opposite sides, 683 00:52:36,703 --> 00:52:39,290 but we're both still human beings, right? 684 00:52:39,696 --> 00:52:42,416 Otherwise, I'll be tagging around with you all day. 685 00:52:44,463 --> 00:52:46,343 I can give you... 686 00:52:48,223 --> 00:52:50,303 ...five, five euros. 687 00:52:56,583 --> 00:52:58,982 - Ennis. - Hey, it's me. 688 00:52:58,983 --> 00:53:00,662 He called someone the moment I left. 689 00:53:00,663 --> 00:53:02,622 I've texted you a number. 690 00:53:02,623 --> 00:53:05,410 Yeah, got it! 691 00:53:06,303 --> 00:53:08,543 OK, I'll see if I can get you a name. 692 00:53:11,263 --> 00:53:14,543 I have a Michael Ennis on the phone. 693 00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:17,423 Put him through. 694 00:53:24,543 --> 00:53:25,782 Yep? 695 00:53:25,783 --> 00:53:27,983 - Are you hands-free? - Yep. 696 00:53:29,223 --> 00:53:31,582 - You're not hands-free. - No. 697 00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:34,582 His name is Tat Picot. 698 00:53:34,583 --> 00:53:36,142 He's DGSE. 699 00:53:36,143 --> 00:53:38,423 He's French Secret Service. 700 00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:44,343 Lieutenant Makuze? 701 00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:46,892 Who wants to know? 702 00:53:46,893 --> 00:53:50,022 My name's Kate Ashby, I work for Alice Munezero's legal team. 703 00:53:50,023 --> 00:53:52,782 You're down as a key prosecution witness. 704 00:53:52,783 --> 00:53:55,330 I've just been speaking with Tat Picot. 705 00:53:56,303 --> 00:53:58,662 I thought it was really interesting, what he had to say, 706 00:53:58,663 --> 00:54:00,427 and I just wondered what you thought about it all, 707 00:54:00,428 --> 00:54:02,383 and how you feel about the risks. 708 00:54:02,810 --> 00:54:04,062 If you spoke with Tat Picot... 709 00:54:04,063 --> 00:54:05,862 So you do know him. 710 00:54:05,863 --> 00:54:08,543 And now he will know you. 711 00:54:17,409 --> 00:54:19,009 Won't that be cosy? 712 00:57:15,703 --> 00:57:17,583 What the fuck am I doing? 713 00:58:01,313 --> 00:58:04,810 _